Monday, April 22, 2019

Will India be the next China?


Please note my understanding on China is limited to my cursory reading about the country over the years. Also since we spent only 6 days and that too majorly on eastern side of China our understanding is restricted to what we saw/understood. The blog hasn’t been reviewed or edited and hence is more of first thoughts. I had promised myself that I will pen down my thoughts unlike our last visit to Indonesia. Im sure I have missed a lot of stuff so will keep adding and refining the blog as we go along.

I distinctly remember January 2006, passing out from college it was time to step into the real world. I was slated to join Infra team @ Edelweiss Institutional Research Desk. The team was working on a mammoth assignment “The Grey Revolution” – 1000 pager on the India Infra story. Since we are at it a big shout-out to Priyanko Panja for giving me an opportunity to be a part of his team and to Siddharth Sanghvi for helping me become a decent analyst (hope I have become a decent analyst). All through those crazy 8-9months, multiples times the conversations veered towards will India be the next China? To give you an example India was slated to add 75,000 MW (give or take…it’s a 10 year old data point) in 12th five year plan (2012-2017) whilst our installed capacity would have been ~150,000 MW (number is not relevant, magnitude is).China on the other hand was adding 50,000 MW a year and it made me wonder what scale is this?. And then there were odd anecdotes of politicians promising to make Mumbai the next Shanghai.

It took me ~13years to see the scale for real. And 13 years passing by means the scale was even bigger and insane in some cases. Once every 2 years me and my colleagues at Anived PMS try and visit a country which is ahead of India on some parameters or is emerging as a manufacturing hub or technology giant etc. Around 2 years ago we had visited Indonesia; this time around it was China. While we had planned the Indonesia trip on our own, we were aware that China would be tough from a language and food perspective. Hence amongst all the options available we went ahead with a weeklong trip with Veena World. Traveling in a tour has its own nuances and I must admit it was a memorable first experience for me. We covered the cities of Beijing, Xian, and Shanghai mostly on eastern side of China.

As soon as we stepped into Immigration at Beijing you could sense the scale of the country. There were 20 terminals or so where International travellers could scan their passport, enter their finger prints. We were out of immigrations in less than 10mins.

Beijing – Beijing is to China what Delhi is to India. It’s the political capital of China. Weather was extremely chilly with day temperatures hovering around 11-14degrees. While Beijing did have scale with tall towers it did have an old world charm to it. Real Estate is extremely cost across China and especially in city areas where it costs approx. 5-7crs for a 500-600 sq. feet house. Unfortunately we were not able to see any houses to be able to comment on quality of construction, spacing etc. It has a population of ~22-23mn and ageing population. People prefer their children to study in private schools which are extremely expensive although government schooling is subsidized/free.

Places we visited - Temple of Heaven, Jade Garden, Great Wall of China, Tian’anmen Square, Local Shopping.    

·         We could see large number of senior citizens playing cards, local Chinese games, Chess etc at temple of heaven. Could have been 200-300 of them.

·         Great Wall of China is ~20,000 kms in its length.  There is a popular myth that it’s the  only structure on earth which is visible from moon

·         Tian’anmen Square/Forbidden City - they let 50,000-60,000 people daily. There was a long weekend due to which there was insane crowd. Forbidden City is so massive it takes 2 hours to reach the absolute end of the structure. Ancient architechture is brilliant with zero use of screws/bolt

·         Local Shopping – Bargaining in China like the country is of a MASSIVE scale. Things which are originally quoted at 100Yuan end up selling at less than 10Yuan in most cases. And while we  may feel that only Indians bargain, you can see Europeans, Americans etc bargain big-time as  well

Beijing to Xian Bullet Train ride – It was highlight of our trip having heard of the Ahmedabad-Mumbai Bullet Train. The distance of ~1200kms takes only4.5 hours and costs ~INR 5500 for second class ticket. It costs ~ USD 18mn-25mn/per km (this is based on Google) to develop the bullet line. Im not sure how many high speed trains n line China has but the network will be insanely huge. One of the stations which came on the way had 36 platforms and there were ~7-8 trains standing on various platforms.
The journey was supremely comfortable, train was extremely clean. Seats can be moved 360degrees and the direction is changed based on which side the train is heading. The team ensures that the train is phenomenally well maintained. Drop a plastic wrapper and the cleaner will be there next 2nd to clean it.


Xian – We reached Xian in the evening around6.30ish. The weather was let’s just say awesome. It seemed like a winter evening in Dharamshala or Chandigarh. As we started driving towards our hotel one thing that struck us was that the entire city was beautifully lit-up almost Diwali like. Every corner of the city be it the bell tower, wall dividing the new town with the old was lit up in an extremely grand manner. Street light across the city had beautiful red lanterns for company. Yahan electricity free hai kya?? was the thought that came to our mind. There was a beautiful water show near the bell tower in the night. (We were lucky catch-it)

Xian used to be the capital of East Asia in the past (not sure about the timelines).Xian is also the home province of current Chinese Premier Xi Jinping. Your premier Prime Minister Modi had visited Xian was repeated multiple times in interaction with various people.

Places to see – Largely famous for Terracotta Warriors which has life-size figures of various soldiers etc. Around 8500 of them

Evening in the city was so pretty that we skipped a few sightseeing events and instead grabbed a glass of black label at an Indian Restaurant to soak in the stunning night scenes (Black label 60ml was ~650 INR which we thought was fairly cheap). We even managed a km walk post reaching the hotel it was so stunning

We took a flight and headed for our last stop Shanghai.


Shanghai – It’s the financial capital of China and houses the Shanghai stock exchange. The city is divided into new and old by Huangpu river which is ~100kms long. The entire city if lit up during the night time almost 500x of Times Square type. Buildings, most of which are in excess of 70-80floors are completely lit-up with Red, Green, Blue, Rainbow lights. The night cruise is a phenomenal experience – chilly weather, beautiful lights all around – it’s breath-taking to say the least.  

Places we visited – Jin Mao Tower Observation Deck (88 floor building and the elevator took 40 secs to reach the top), Bund Water Front (again beautiful during the evening/night time),

We also took a 15mins to and from journey of Mag Lev train which covers ~ 65kms and has a top speed of 430kms/hour.   

Shanghai has 25 metro-lines operational right now and they will have 35 lines by 2025

Shanghai to Beijing – We had no idea why we dint directly flew to Mumbai from Shanghai. We again took the bullet train but were much less excited as we had already done the journey once and post Maglev 300kms/hour seemed a tad little slow JJ

Some tid-bids about China which we learnt on the trip

·         80% of Chinese people don’t really follow a religion. 20% follow Buddhism and some other religions. They do however follow a few  customs similar to India like praying for well-being of departed souls, lighting of diya’s in temples etc
·         Chairman Xi Jinping as he is addressed to by Chinese is only the 2nd leader to have become a permanent head of the government after chairman Mau. There will be no elections in China till Xi Jinping is at the helm. Chairman Mau was instrumental in integration of various provinces into People’s republic of China (much like SVP in India)
·       Economy is clearly slowing both in reported data terms as well as what people observe on the ground. This is after 4 decades of growing at break-neck speed.
o   It was very evident that the economy cannot slow else the excesses will ensure that it will collapse. There were more cranes at work atop 40-50 storey buildings in one city and its outskirt than what I have seen in whole of India (im not kidding). In a ride of 40-50kms because you are cruising at 300km/hour we would have seen may be 500-1000 cranes per 5-7kms. The whole country is under construction. And here we are worried about an odd Pune or Gurgaon being under the grey dust.
·         Language is a huge barrier. Barring the guides and may be couple of staff at hotels, it was impossible to communicate even in broken English. Words like water, towel etc would get blank responses. Recommend to carry an app which converts English into Chinese
·         Beijing/Shanghai had huge pollution related issues even as late as 2007-08. We have seen tonnes and tonnes of videos of people walking in these cities with masks on. The government in an overnight decision decided to move all factories outside the cities. In next 5-6 years this was done at break-neck speed. It would be near impossible to do something like this in India given the lack of unity in our polity
·         Elderly people/senior citizens have been moved outside of the main cities. Obviously there are monetary benefits to relocate. Again would be impossible in India. These are things that semi dictatorial/non-democratic/state is always right countries can do.
·         While we marvel at the infra that has been created there are a lot of unanswered questions 1) Are these projects actually viable 2)What is the quality of assets owned by State Owned Banks (huge directed lending/owned by the state itself). Maglev while it’s a great tourist attraction and science marvel don’t think the project will ever be viable from a RoI perspective.
·         On the ground we dint find too much of affinity to brands either in case of clothes, fashion accessories, shoes etc. This is contrary to what we had heard. Cant thump the table on this one.

Some read through for India

·         One of the biggest joys of being a part of this trip was that middle-class India is traveling; leisure is becoming an important aspect of life. People are traveling, they are learning, they are questioning, they are demanding and (the part I hate) they are writing India off. India agle 100 saal main bhi aisa nahi ho sakta. I really have 2-3 thoughts here 1) do we really want to go the China way in excesses. We havent seen the end yet 2) What are the challenges of a being democratic country (We all marvel at the bullet train in China but we don’t want  one as there are people who still don’t have food to eat) 3) We will be somewhere between where we are today vs where China is over next 15-20 years and as my tweet said “Ladies and Gentlemen tighten up your seat-belts, even if we get to a % of where China is in next 15-20 years its going to be a hell of ride”
·         My personal belief is India is young, India is restless, India aspires, India dreams. Sure we will have our challenges but we have 130crore people who are working on finding solutions to these problems. Also India has reached here in spite of the Politician. A good CEO and good government will execute better. Poor one will take 5-10 years more to achieve the same.
·         Through last winter across various larger than life weddings got a chance to interact with a lot of NRI’s. These are people who travel to India once in 3-4 years and they see massive changes for the good. Sometimes being too close to the action is not a great thing.
·         We will have the metros, we will have world class airports, we will have bullet trains, and we will add a few more statues. It’s a matter of time.

Its only apt that im writing the closing paragraphs of this blog, sitting in an Aaram chair at my native in Ranveri, Gujarat. We used to travel in bullock carts as kids, then cycle and now due to the proximity (~250kms from Mumbai) we usually drive down. Barring medical/hospitalization which still has a long long way to go, every-thing else that you need for a good life is now available here.

While all of you are aware of my political leanings I have made a conscious effort to stay clear of it. I don’t know how history will read Narendra Modi’s 1st term (2014-2019), but as far as global image of India goes he has improved it manifold. This feedback was time and again shared by our Indian travel guide, by our fellow travellers. The world knows India and its premier Narendra Modi and has a lot of respect for India.


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